Episode #4: Robert Chesney on the Title 10/Title 50 Debate
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🗓️ 24 February 2012
⏱️ 26 minutes
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Bobby discusses his new article, Military-Intelligence Convergence and the Law of the Title 10/Title 50 Debates, 5 J. Nat'l Sec. L. & Pol'y 539 (2012).
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| 0:44.6 | Hello and welcome to the LawFair podcast. I'm Benjamin Wittes. Our subject today is |
| 0:50.7 | all within the LawFair family. We're talking about Bobby's new article, Military Intelligence |
| 0:56.8 | Convergence, and the Law of the Title 10 Title 50 debate, which has just been published |
| 1:02.7 | by the Journal of National Security Law and Policy. Bobby certainly needs no introduction |
| 1:08.7 | to the LawFair readership, and neither does Jack with whom he discussed the article in |
| 1:13.5 | Cambridge the other day. The abstract of and a link to the article, which is an encyclopedic |
| 1:20.2 | work unlike any other that has been published on the subject, is available on the blog. |
| 1:26.7 | So Bobby, this is, I think, the definitive article on Title 10 versus Title 50, and that's |
| 1:32.7 | a phrase, Title 10 versus Title 50 that gets thrown around a lot in Washington circles, |
| 1:38.4 | especially among policymakers and lawyers. Can you tell us what people mean, what they |
| 1:43.0 | use that as a shorthand for? |
| 1:45.0 | Sure. So, let's start with Title 10. Title 10 is the section of the US Code, of course, |
| 1:50.8 | that contains a vast collection of authorities and rules relating to the military establishment. |
| 1:56.2 | You'll find the UCMJ there, you'll find all sorts of statutory knackments that give life |
| 2:02.2 | to the defense department. It's important to emphasize that Title 10 standing alone isn't |
| 2:07.6 | itself the affirmed of authority to, say, engage in a use force. For that, you're looking |
| 2:13.2 | either to an AUMF or days gone by a declaration of war or perhaps most commonly evolve a claim |
| 2:20.0 | of inherent particle to constitutional authority on the part of the president. But even though |
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