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Hello and welcome to the LawFair podcast. Our subject today is a new book by Joel Brenner

entitled America the Vulner. Inside the new threat matrix of digital espionage, crime and

warfare. Brenner served as the inspector general of the national security agency from 2002

to 2006 and after that as the national counterintelligence executive in the office of the director

of national intelligence from 2006 to 2009. He sat down with Jack Goldsmith to discuss

his new book this week because of a technical fowl up. The audio quality is a little fuzzy

for which we apologize. Joel what is the book about? The books about the way in which air

embraces and dependence on wonderful electronic connectivity and ubiquitous connectivity

has not only created vast improvements in productivity and generated huge pleasure for

so many people but has also turned this inside out electronically and made this electronically

naked. One of the things that I observed as I was beginning to book or in the lead up

to the writing it was that there was a general attitude especially during the Bush administration

that privacy was in the ditch and secrecy had just got really out of control and it isn't

true. They're both in the ditch and they're both in the ditch to the same set of tech

technological and cultural reasons. Technological because we all governments, businesses and individuals

use the same technology to communicate, to generate and store information and they're terribly

vulnerable and culturally because we have a proclivity in this country for openness and

sharing or to put it in a somewhat darker way. I think we are living in the most exhibition

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