Hello and welcome to Forever 35, a podcast about the things we do to take care of ourselves.

I'm Dori-Shafrier.

And I'm Elise Hugh, and we're just two friends who like to talk a lot about serums.

And today we have

Haley DeRosch on the show. You may know her better by her social media moniker, Sad beige.

Sad beige. Or as she's known on Instagram, official sad beige. I have been a follower of Haley's for a long,

long time. I love everything she does on social media and her writing. And she has a new book

out called The Sad Bage Parents Handbook. So we had a great conversation. She's so smart and so

perceptive. And yeah, I think you'll really enjoy our chat.

Elise, what's going on with you? I know that our show open line is that we talk about serums,

but I just wanted to do a quick shout out for my tacha macha. It rhymes. There is a tacha

macha cleanser that's, you know, the matcha cleanse by

Tacha. And I'm now using it to wash my face. And I really like it. I really like it. I believe Rob has

stolen it a few times because I find it in the shower sometimes.

How dare he?

I know.

But when I find it in the shower, I know he's used it because he washes his face in the shower as is his bat.

And so I'm like, this is my fancy tachamacha.

Why is it next to the hair conditioner?

He doesn't even have the decency to put it back in the right place.

Nope.

Wow.

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