Hello and welcome to Forever 35, a podcast about the things we do to take care of ourselves. I'm Dory Schaeffreier. And I'm Elise Hu, and we're just two friends who like to talk a lot about serums.

Welcome to the show.

Today, we have a very special guest that only Elise interviewed.

Yes, we had some scheduling trouble, and so I had the pleasure of sitting down with Maya Shanker, who is a cognitive scientist and wrote a New York Times bestselling book that just came out fairly recently called The Other Side of Change,

Who We Become When Life Makes Other Plans. I had a really great time chatting with her door.

I updated Dory after I talked with her just

kind of to catch up because we ended up talking. We had to reschedule a few times. We ended up talking

on like a Friday afternoon. And it sent me with great vibes into the weekend. I love that.

I just really connected. Because I don't think we do a lot of interviews, like right on the tail end of a Friday.

And I know that for me, anyway, I can often be kind of like eager to just go play tennis or do something else and not be working at my computer anymore.

But it was really a pleasure to have this conversation with Dr. Maya.

That's really cool. Yeah, yeah. And she's been through it. And part of the reason why she

became so interested in kind of who we become when major life events happen, like a surprising

diagnosis or the loss of a loved one. Like what happens after is because she's been through it herself.

So that was really good.

So that's coming up in a few minutes after we catch up.

Yeah.

What's been going on with you, Elise?

We are allowing the dog to heal and convalesce again after his latest surgery.

Yes, that's right. Folks,

Oscar, had to have major abdominal surgery again because my dumb dog decided to eat a stuffed

animal that's the size of a fist. Again, swallow it whole, not even chew. It got stuck in his

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