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Shear Hever is the coordinator of the military embargo campaign of the BDS movement.

Something we've talked a lot about over the years, in particular after October 7th, but haven't had a chance

to really drill in more deeply on. So welcome, Shear. I'm really looking forward to this conversation.

Thanks for having me.

All right. So it's described as the military embargo campaign of the BDS movement. What strikes

me right up top is that oftentimes in the contemporary conversation, we're talking about

what seem to be sort of ad hoc movements of people who read a story about Starbucks passing out

drinks to IDF soldiers or people in Indonesia who associate KFC with the United States of America

and who are boycotting Kentucky Fried Chicken

restaurants in heavily Muslim countries like Indonesia.

And previously, before October 7th, we were talking about BDS, largely in the context,

of various American laws that attempted to make illegal or criminalize or at least create

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