this weekend when you go to your church. There's people in the front of your auditoriums.

They're really into what you do. They love it. They're super pumped about it. But in all of our churches,

there's that guy, and it's typically a guy who comes in and he slinks in like maybe two or three

minutes before the service, standing in the back. He's holding on to a coffee cup, and he's

disengaged with a lot of what we do. You know, he's, he's observing it, but he's not participating.

And I think we've got to figure out how to engage that guy.

Welcome to the Worship Probbs podcast, where we aim to entertain, encourage, and equip worship

and tech leaders all around the world.

Look, we all know that serving in worship and production is great, but the problems...

Those are real.

Thanks for joining us as we dive into today's episode with our host, Brian Tabor.

Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to episode 376 of the worship probs podcast.

Welcome back.

We're so glad you're here. Always glad that you take a

couple of moments to stop by and spend it with us. We have an absolutely killer episode plan for you

today. I've got like two giants. And I'm not just saying that. Like giants in the church world.

Of course, our friend, Pastor Scott Longyear is with us. And we have a very, very special guest, Rich Birch. Welcome. Oh, yeah, that's, I made it. I'm episode 376. This is the best one right here. Come on. You know, it's amazing. You don't have to listen any further. I'm super honored to be here. Love what you guys are doing.

Love, yeah, love you, Brian. I think you do great work. I think the world of Scott and, you know,

and his church. And so yeah, I honored to be here today, looking forward to hanging out.

It's an international flavor, right? Indiana goes to Canada. It's funny you said, killer, because when I started blogging years ago, back, long time ago,

my original blog name was Killer Church, the art of execution in the local church,

which I thought was really clever.

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