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So I think this will be an interesting conversation because it's something you and I've been

talking about extensively for a while now.

And I've wanted to talk about it on the show, but I didn't know how I wanted to formulate all of it because it's a very complex topic. It's something that can go in literally five million different directions. But we're going to try to tackle it today because I feel like it's really fucking important. Yeah, I don't know. We'll see how this comes out. We're all over the place with it. So, you know, going back and forth. I mean, every, just about every day, something will come up that you and I are like, oh, well, this is part of the same conversation, obviously. But yeah, I guess we'll, yeah, we'll flush it out one way or the other. Yeah, we've been talking about how, like, social norms and tradition are sometimes more important than thinking logically. And we see that in so many

different ways within our society. But obviously, that impacts us as lifestylers even more than like

the average person. And, you know, obviously the most obvious way that it comes out is people

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