I don't want you to get into stuff you don't want to get into but what what is the stuff that's really like stuck in your craw that you're like

Everything but a lot of it is the Manson and Jolly West stuff. Yeah and the Manson and Jolly West stuff and the Manson in prison stuff.

And I'll give you a little tip of the hand or hat or whatever.

A lot of stuff that happened to Manson in prison before he was released.

You know, he was in prison for 1961 to 67.

Yeah. Those years what was going on then and actually in his adolescence when he was going to the different boys homes and then the

other prisons and stuff there was something happening in each one that was

pretty unique with him and that's the stuff I'm trying to document now and get more information about.

And then of course that leads into just like all the other stuff, but that's one of the main focuses

of what will hopefully be a second book.

Yeah, I think the Jolly West stuff was I think, I, because I, you know, I'm pretty tapped in, I guess,

I know what people are talking about when, and that was a weird way to phrase that.

But I paid attention to the way like the things that really people took from the book because I read

it basically immediately when it came out.

It was a book was a hit, you know, let's not mean it's worth it.

Not really the first few months, I mean, the first six months, I mean,

we didn't get reviewed hardly anywhere.

Yeah.

And, uh, I mean, so there were some early podcasts.

I don't know if you guys are all competitive with each other,

but the Chapo Choppel.

No, those are homies.

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