Episode 358: The Perfect Tuba: Finding Freedom, Identity, and Recovery in the Unlikeliest of Place
The Addicted Mind Podcast
Duane Osterlind, LMFT
4.7 • 655 Ratings
🗓️ 3 November 2025
⏱️ 41 minutes
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Summary
Journalist Sam Quinones, renowned for his deeply impactful books Dreamland and The Least of Us about the opioid and synthetic drug crises, returns to The Addicted Mind with a profoundly different, yet connected, story. In this episode, Sam and host Duane Osterlind dive into Quinones' newest book, The Perfect Tuba: Forging Fulfillment from the Bass Horn, Band and Hard Work.
Sam shares his unexpected pivot from writing about the devastating cycle of addiction and consumerism—where people seek happiness from something they buy—to exploring stories of people who cultivate their own value from within. He found this liberation and internal worth in the unlikeliest of places: the world of the tuba.
You’ll hear why the tuba, often dismissed as the ‘fat elephant’ of the band, became a metaphor for breaking free of limits and an antidote to the inertia of addiction. Sam shares incredible stories, from the enormous popularity of the tuba in Mexican immigrant communities in Los Angeles to the legendary tale of the two "perfect tubas" that are the "Holy Grail" of the instrument.
This conversation reveals the powerful life lessons learned in the band room: postponed gratification, perseverance, and collaboration. Sam and Duane draw a beautiful, clear analogy between the dedication required to master a tough instrument and the difficult, rewarding journey of addiction recovery. They explore how the energy and creativity harnessed by finding your "perfect tuba"—that thing you work hard for—is the strongest defense against the lure of instant gratification and drugs.
This episode is an inspiration, demonstrating that we are surrounded by people who embody the values needed to heal and strengthen our culture and community
Key Topics
- The Tuba as a metaphor for freedom and inner value versus the consumer model of buying happiness.
- Why Sam Quinones chose to pivot from writing about drugs (Dreamland, The Least of Us) to writing about the tuba.
- The surprising history of tuba-playing as an act of liberation and self-discovery.
- The profound connection between the hard work of mastering an instrument and the journey of recovery.
- The inspiring story of the Roma High School band in Texas and the power of investing in music education in poor communities.
- The legend of the two "perfect tubas"—the Holy Grail of the instrument world—and why they are so valuable.
- The essential values learned in band—punctuality, collaboration, and focus—that serve as a bulwark against addiction.
Resources
THE PERFECT TUBA: Forging Fulfillment from the Bass Horn, Band, and Hard Work
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Transcript
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| 0:16.1 | All right, everyone. Welcome to the Addicted Mind podcast. I'm Dwayne Austen, and I am so glad you're here with us today. |
| 0:22.8 | Our guest is someone I deeply respect. Sam Cignonese, a journalist and author whose work has illuminated some of the darkest corners of the addiction crisis in America. |
| 0:33.5 | You may know Sam from his groundbreaking books, Dreamland, The True Tales of America's Opiate |
| 0:39.7 | Epidemic, and The Least of Us, True Tales of America at Hope in the time of fentanyl and meth. |
| 0:46.1 | Both of these books have been essential reading for understanding how we got here. |
| 0:51.1 | But today, Sam is back to talk about something completely different and yet deeply |
| 0:56.3 | connected. His latest book is called The Perfect Tuba, Forging Fulfillment from the Brasshorn, Band, |
| 1:04.0 | and Hard Work. Now, I know what you might be thinking, a book about tubas, but here's the thing. |
| 1:09.2 | This book is about so much more than that. It's about |
| 1:12.6 | inspiration, grit, perseverance, finding beauty in unexpected places. It's about the transformative |
| 1:21.3 | power of hard work and dedication. And to me, it's a profound metaphor for recovery itself. The idea that we can take |
| 1:30.2 | something that seems difficult, even impossible, and through patience and practice, create something |
| 1:37.6 | truly beautiful. Sam and I have such a meaningful conversation about the stories in this book, |
| 1:43.4 | stories of people who found purpose and |
| 1:45.6 | fulfillment through this often overlooked brass instrument. It's the other side of the addiction |
| 1:52.3 | story. It's about what's possible when we commit to something bigger than ourselves. I think you're |
| 1:58.7 | going to get so much out of this conversation. Before we begin, |
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