Welcome to another episode of Listen, Learn, and Love, hosted by Richard Osler.

My guest on today's podcast, who is connecting via Zoom is my friend Sam Bird.

Welcome to the podcast, Sam.

Thank you, Richard. Good to be here. Sam has a famous older brother. Tell us who your famous older brother is, Sam. Yep. So my older brother is Charlie Bird, author of Without the Mask. I'm sure you guys have heard of it. We love to talk about how famous he is.

We joke about it a lot. You do kind of have suddenly a famous brother. We've had Charlie on on

episode 300. He's written a book Without the Mask and Charlie, as I think most of our listeners

know, is gay. He's the former Cosmo, and just an all-around great human.

But I just felt impressed because Charlie talked about Sam in his podcast two podcasts ago when you were serving your mission.

And he's talked about you since when he came out to you, his brother.

And I just thought

you may not have been perfect in this space, Sam, like I haven't been perfect, but I think

you've done a great job, and your relationship with Charlie is just solid. And I, this is a podcast

for you siblings that have LGBTQ siblings, or, did I say that right?

You straight people that have LGBTQ siblings or parents that have LGBTQ children.

Just from the things that Sam can share that are insights about their family experience from

here's perspective as a as a sibling of an

LGBTQ member i think i said that right sometimes i think things backwards in my brain listeners so

i i think you knew the spirit of that um is that sound okay sam for an introduction

yeah that sounds great before we talk about char, Sam's pretty great man on his own.

And tell our listeners about where you grew up and then tell us where you served your mission.

Yeah.

So I grew up in a small town in Missouri.

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