Hey, everybody. Welcome to ABA Inside Track, the podcast that's like reading in your car, but safer. I'm your host, Robert Perry Cruz, and with me as always are my fabulous co-hosts. Hello, Rob. It's me, Diana Perry Cruz. And it's me, Jackie McDowell, and guess what, everyone? We're in December, which means I get to go second in a few weeks. This is by far the worst bit we've ever had on the show. It's not a bit. I'm excited about it.

It is a bit.

If you keep bringing it up.

I waited for eight years to be able to say my name second. And then I only got one year. So now I'm excited about the second year. Okay. Second year putting your name's safe. I mean, we could switch up. We could just randomize it. We could do all sorts of things.

That's too hard.

We could communicate which one of us is going to be the host that announces themselves on this podcast about behavior analysis and behavior analytic research.

In which each week we discuss a topic by, say, communicating it with like pictures of some kind.

If only there were a way to do so to just not use our words, but just point to things or hand things over.

Ah, if only there could be. I wish we had a fourth mystery guest who could tell us all about this

for the next hour. Oh, wait a minute. There is. We are very excited to be joined in studio by

Judy Southey, M-S-C-C-S-L-P, which means speech and language pathologist,

who is going to join us for one of our actually favorite kind of limited series tutorial,

where we're going to talk all about pex or picture exchange communications system.

Did I get it right?

You did, and thank you for that introduction. Wow. Well, Judy, thank you so much for coming in and for kind of doing another tutorial on this. I think communication is so key for many of our clients. And while I think a lot of folks would like to say, hey, let's just get an iPad. That'll do all the work for us. PECS still remains, I think,

a very well-researched and strong communication modality. Yes, absolutely. It's actually been around

since 1985, and nothing has replaced it yet, which is impressive. Oh, wow. I did not know that.

I've also been around since 1980. And a little bit more.

Nothing has replaced me either. All right. If you are listening to this episode and you come to our trivia, I think we're going to do a Brad Pitt or Lasers, which came first. Pecks are the Nintendo Entertainment System. No, pecks or Jackie. That's just going to get less fun the more years we use that one, though. So we're going to be talking about Pecs in general, as well as discussing some more of the fine-tuned aspects that goes into Pex, a little bit about some AAC evaluations, other types of AAC, what we know about when to use which AAC.

Diana has a broken microphone.

It broke the mic.

We only have four mic stands, and one of them probably needs to be retired.

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