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Episode 328: The Billy Graham Rule and What It Does to Men Too

Bare Marriage

Sheila Gregoire

Society & Culture, Science, Christianity, Advice, Family, Social Sciences, Mother, Relationships, Religion & Spirituality, Sex, Marriage, Wife

4.61.3K Ratings

🗓️ 14 May 2026

⏱️ 59 minutes

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Send us Fan Mail What if the “Billy Graham rule” (or the evangelical distortion of it) says more about fear than integrity? In this episode, Danielle Strickland helps us unpack the assumptions behind the idea that men and women can’t be alone together—and ask whether it protects integrity or quietly reinforces suspicion, segregation, and control. Drawing on Scripture, leadership research, and real-world church experiences, our conversation explores how transparency—not isolation—is a stronger...

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Welcome to the Bear Marriage podcast. I'm Sheila Ray Greg Wehr from Bear Marriage.com,

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where we like to talk about healthy evidence-based biblical advice, for your sex life, and

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your marriage. And I am joined by my daughter, Rebecca Lindybock. Hello, hello. And you're going to be joining me later in the podcast. Yes, I'm going to zip off in a minute. Yeah, but we have a great interview coming up with Danielle Strickland about the Billy Graham rule. Yeah. Otherwise known as the Mike Pence rule, otherwise known as men and women can't just be friends because that's dangerous. And so, why can't we be friends? So we're going to be talking about that. Before I get to that interview, a big shout out to people who make what we do possible. So our patrons were so grateful to them. They support us even for as little as $5 a month. And their support has allowed us to do the research projects that we've done, the support from them, and from those who

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bring on Danielle Strickland. Well, I am so thrilled to bring on the podcast a fellow Canadian and a friend

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of mine, Danielle Strickland. Hello, Danielle. Hey, Sheila, always great to be with you. I'm going to let you

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introduce yourself because I always do a bad job of it. So what do you do?

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What do you do?

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What do I do? That's a big, crazy question.

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But primarily these days, I guess I do a lot of communicating.

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So lots of speaking around the world at different events, lots of consultation for leadership

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things, project development and strategy.

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And I'm a mom and I'm a wife and I'm a, you know, avid

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outdoor person. And I live in Vancouver so you can often find me hiking. Those are some of the

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things I do. Yes. And I first, I really tuned into who you were at a difficult time in your life

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when you were trying to raise awareness of what was going on

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at the meeting house.

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Oh, yeah.

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Yeah.

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So abuse advocate sometimes comes into the bio.

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