We do, I'm not going to try to do math live on the air, but it's a significant penalty over $100 million altogether.

$75 million in punitive damage, $20 million towards each of them, and then more than $16 million for the first question

in compensary damages.

So a significant, significant finding against Rudy Giuliani and is really the what his lone lawyer would describe as the

civil equivalent of the death penalty for Rudy Giuliani here.

Give me a little context on those numbers, Lisa Rudin.

Any of the surprise you?

No, it doesn't surprise me.

I had actually expected that punitive damages award

Alicia to be huge.

And the reason is, separate from compensatory damages,

which are meant to compensate the person

for their injuries including emotional distress. Punitive damages are meant to

send a message as Mike Gottlieb who is one of Ruby and Shay's lawyers said in his closing statement.

They are meant to deter future behavior like that, but also to send a message to the wrongdoer

that what you did here was so egregious and so wrong that it's meant to punish him not to reward them.

And so to the extent that the numbers that Ryan has just reported to us are accurate and

that there are punitive damages here in excess of

$70 million. That is a unanimous jury Alicia and I should underscore that. The

jury verdict here had to be unanimous down to the dollar and cent telling the world what

Rudy Giuliani did to these women, particularly abusing that position of trust

that he had as Rev was just discussing was so heinous that he should

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