You know what you're sort of what you're sort of getting at here is Christian nationalism right I've read the I haven't read the book yet but I read the peace that you put out in the Atlantic about it that ended with the pastor who took over for your father who was trying to fight the takeover of Trump in the church. You asked him what's happened to the evangelicals in America and he said they love America too much.

Is that what we're dealing with here is this, what the

Evangel, or at least for some evangelicals that are supporting Trump morphed into Christian

nationalism? I think so and listen, Christian nationalism is a loaded term and it means different

things to different people so I think clarifying in this context what the definition

is helpful at the end of the day if you are a follower of Jesus Christ, you are called to a citizenship in heaven, and you are called to be a part of the kingdom of God.

And we are warned as Christians throughout scripture old testament

and new testament prayers and epistles all the way through it's not

ambiguous that your identity is rooted in heaven your identity is rooted in following Jesus. Unfortunately, I think

this love of country which can be healthy to a point over-realized among some of these evangelical Christians has sort of merged

two kingdoms into one and has created this belief that somehow if America falls

then God himself is defeated.

When again as Christians we believe that Jesus triumphed over the grave so there is no such thing as defeat.

But when you begin to think of America as almost this covenant nation, that God has ordained

us, God has blessed us, and you are fighting for God by fighting for America, that is Christian

nationalism and that is what has infected much of the church today.

Is that like the best pitch ever? I don't know. I don't understand the point he's trying to make you love your country too much

America is a covenant nature. It's the new Jerusalem. That's what we've had these blessings

Brat tell me so how you're saying they're making the point to try to get Christians

out of the out of the political sphere is that your point?

Yeah now he's just gas-lighting, right?

Love of country to a point.

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