Episode 322 - (SUPERVISION) What Do We Actually Know About Supervision w/ Dr. Natalie Andzik + Dr. Michael Kranak
ABA Inside Track
Robert Parry-Cruwys
4.7 • 634 Ratings
🗓️ 17 September 2025
⏱️ 85 minutes
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Summary
Despite the huge increase in discussion articles, think pieces, personal sharing of tools, and summaries of commonly-liked programs, there is a real dearth of research on what ACTUALLY works in supervision practices. And we weren't the only people to wonder this. That's why we're joined this week by Dr. Natalie Andzik and Dr. Michael Kranak who've written their fair share of all of the above research when it comes to supervision and have thoughts about where the field is and where we need to go to ensure only the best for our trainees.
This episode is available for 1.0 SUPERVISION CEU.
Articles discussed this episode:
Kranak, M.P., Andzik, N.R., Jones, C., & Hall, H. (2023). A systematic review of supervision research related to board certified behavior analysts. Behavior Analysis in Practice, 16, 1006-1021. doi: 10.1007/s40617-023-00805-0
Andzik, N.R. & Kranak, M.P. (2021). The softer side of supervision: Recommendations when teaching and evaluating behavior-analytic professionalism. Behavior Analysis: Research and Practice, 21, 65-74. doi: 10.1037/bar0000194
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| 0:00.0 | Hey, everybody. Welcome to ABA Inside Track, the podcast that's like reading in your car, but safer. I'm your host, Robert Perry Cruz, and with me as always are my fabulous co-hosts. |
| 0:24.1 | Hello, Rob. It's me, Diana Perry Cruz. |
| 0:26.5 | And it's me, Jackie, not Perry, Cruz. |
| 0:29.6 | Do you want to say what your last name is? |
| 0:31.4 | No, I'm just kidding. |
| 0:33.0 | Jackie McDonald, good to be here. |
| 0:36.0 | When we incorporated our podcast company, we made Jackie |
| 0:39.3 | legally change her name to Not Fairy Cruise. Jackie Not Ferry Cruise. So everyone knows that we're not married. |
| 0:45.6 | It rolls off the tongue. It does. It's the only thing in the emails that people are like, |
| 0:50.6 | who's married to Rob? It's the question everyone wants to know. |
| 0:57.4 | I think that was one of our notes in the pod. |
| 1:00.6 | It's like, this episode, you finally learned because I think eventually we said it. |
| 1:07.3 | But this isn't a podcast about who is married to whom this or direct object preposition usage. |
| 1:15.1 | This is a podcast about behavior analysis and behavior analytic research where every week we pick a topic and discuss some relevant research articles. And if you are listening to this in the month of September, then you already know the topic because it is |
| 1:19.2 | supervision. Because that's all we talk about in September. It's the only thing, |
| 1:24.9 | nothing else. Get out of here other topics. It's Supervision September. And we've been doing super... How many years have we been doing Supervision September now? Nine. I think all the years. All the years. All the years. All the years. Many, many years. We have done it. And we've read lots of articles about, you know, oh, thought pieces on supervision |
| 1:45.3 | and what does business tell us about supervision? And we took a moment and we looked at the lay |
| 1:50.9 | of the land and we said to ourselves, hey, there's a lot of articles about we think this is a great |
| 1:56.0 | idea for supervision and we're great supervisors. So here's an article. And we realized that's not quite the same thing as, |
| 2:03.0 | hey, we used these interventions and did relevant research using them. And here are the data on it. |
| 2:08.4 | Or here are the data on it. And this is the best supervision according to science. And we wondered, |
| 2:15.0 | does anybody actually know the answer to that question? And we were very, very fortunate. And not one, but two people have, I don't know, I don't know if they want me to say that they have the answer, but they are certainly looking at the answer in a much more concrete and data-driven and scientific way than I think a lot of our supervision content in the past has been, |
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