even members of the Progressive Caucus, I don't know if I should name names, but in one place

where I was having an event and we went to visit this member afterwards and we asked to take a

picture with her. We had a sign that all it said was negotiations. It didn't even have the way

to train in it. And she looked down at it and said, oh my God, maybe you really want to get me in

trouble,

don't you?

There's a real disconnect between what's happening on the ground in Ukraine, the needs for

peace talks, what's happening in the global community, especially in the global south,

and the lack of an opening were real discussions among members of our Congress and, of course, members of the White House.

Now, I would say that there also is a big, much more clear about what's going on.

They recognize that this counteroffensive in Ukraine is not making progress that's going to change things on the ground. They recognize

there's a stalemate. They recognize it's a war of attrition. And yet you don't hear this from

people who are constantly handing over blank checks for continuing the war and you don't hear

it from the Biden administration itself. I should explain to listeners that if you hear overhead speakers in the background,

it's because media is calling in from the airport because she's just returning from

travels, including to Ukraine. So perhaps with that perspective, you can give us a sense

of what's going on on the ground

and the messages that we're not hearing about the status of the conflict here in the U.S.

Well, certainly being in Ukraine, people are very much, and for good reason, hating the invaders,

the Russians, feeling like they want to recover every inch of

territory back. They don't want to talk about negotiations, they want to talk about more weapons

and winning the war. And I totally understand that. I mean, there were funerals going on

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