You raised some very serious question.

I think I haven't been that clear.

This might get me in trouble with some of my friends.

I've always felt that that insurgency within that party was possible.

My position was that it was possible under a Bernie Sanders as you just began to

allude to it. But they weren't prepared to, in fact, do it.

So it wasn't just the being inside the Democratic party.

You don't just because you run under the Democratic party line,

doesn't mean that there's some kind of magical transformation.

You become a centrist.

If you prepare, if you have a political line that's progressive,

even revolutionary, if you are able to organize and that party and push that line and you

prepare to go all the way, it could be done.

People don't realize how fragile that party really is.

There's a notion that is completely controlled by the neoliberal elites.

That's true. But the fact of the matter is there are real fractures in that party.

There's real spaces that could be exploited within that party.

The issue is you haven't had people with any real creativity that have been able to take advantage

of that. And you have this issue of fashioning and ideological position.

But you start off saying you don't need to take an ideological line. What was wrong with that?

Well, because people on the internet are very like,

oh, you want to suckle at the teeth of the Democratic party, Brianna.

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