No progress is going to be clean in an American political system.

That is very complex and requires compromise.

I mean, it's just not going to have Mahatma Gandhi emerge in the full of...

With all due respect, you sound just like Hikim Jaffari is talking about

what we can't let the enemy be the perfect of the good.

I'm always so pleased to be joined by Representative Rokana on the podcast once again.

This time, talking to me just hours before the vote on the debt ceiling

compromise, members of both parties are singing the praises of this compromise bill as a win for both sides.

Many on the left are saying, there's bipartisan agreement.

That's how you know things have gone really awry.

Representative Kanna, you are one of the people who have stood up and said that you were going to vote

no on this compromise bill. Why is that?

Well, for us all good to be back on.

The reality is that we should have invoked the 14th Amendment or the Treasury should just have

paid the bills and let the Republicans do it. Take it to court.

I don't think at the end of the day the courts would have struck that down.

They're not going to allow the world's greatest economy to crash and they would have understood the

stakes. So I think that the president had a lot of options short of negotiation.

President could also in November or December have increased and passed the debt ceiling back then

when some of us were falling on him to do that. Now, I would have been negotiating with

Manchin, but that would have been marginally better than negotiating with McCarthy.

So some of us have been saying, look, either have raised the debt ceiling back in the

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