This idea that people are so afraid to speak

because they're worried about social censorship or sanction.

I think speaks to one's own lack of confidence sometimes

that they can defend their point of view

and know that their opinions aren't racist

or sexist or anti-semitic or whatever it is

or being accused of.

I do agree that there's some slippage there.

Freddie, I wanna acknowledge that, yes.

I think that sometimes people, quote unquote,

like self-righteously or defensively refuse

to have a level of nuanced conversation.

But that doesn't mean you can't.

That doesn't mean I can't.

That doesn't mean that you can't also persuade people

that perhaps what their initial defensiveness

while understandable given living in a society

and racism and what it is,

is not warranted when they're having a conversation

with you because you're a good faith actor.

And sometimes I do wish that people would just trust themselves

a little and push through instead of coming up

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