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Okay, bad faith, listeners, faithful as it were, I am so excited to have a guest on

today whom I've alluded to in numerical times as one of the most formidable foundational

professors in my life. So when who is teaching impacted my political development, perhaps

more than any other kind of single moment in my educational career, it's Professor John

Hanson. He's the Alan Astone Professor of Law, a director of the Systemic Justice

Project at Harvard Law School. Welcome to bad faith podcast Professor Hanson.

Thank you, Brianna. First of all, I just would like to end the podcast now. I think that is a

perfect place to end. But only go down from here. And second of all, you must call me John,

if you can tolerate it. I think I can muster it up. It's a hard habit to break, but I'll do my best.

Okay. Well, you joke that this is going to go down here, help him here. And I know that you're

a little reluctant to come on. I've been begging you for a while now, but I don't understand why,

because I'm like reading your intro here off the Harvard Law site. And you've won like the

teacher of the year. There's like multiple teacher of the year awards that you won multiple times,

including I remember you getting it the year that I had you for my section six section leader.

And it boggles my mind that you could everything that this would be anything less than a

setting conversation. Okay. Well, I mean, you act as if I'm somehow rational or you're rational,

but I first of all, go section six. I want to say that. And second, Brianna, I don't like

little bits of onions in my food. Okay. And there's no explaining that. If they're much smaller than

that, I think they're delicious, but little chunks get me and recorded interviews really have a

thing. So I would only do this. I think with you, maybe this will be the thing that breaks my phobia.

I really hope so because here's the thing. Here's why I think your lessons were so transformative

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