Here's the crazy thing. I reported on the Abdul Al-Sahid campaign in Michigan a couple of years ago,

and the weekend I was out there, AOC was out there on the campaign trail with him giving speeches.

And the thing that struck me when I saw her live speaking, the only couple of times I have,

was she was the best public speaker I have ever seen in my life.

An Abdul Al-Sahid is a fantastic public speaker. Very, very good. She was better. She's really,

really good at public speaking when she wants to be. She's very, very charismatic. She's very

skilled at articulating her political positions. And so when she does that, when she shies away

from debate, I think there's this fear that we can't win. We've almost accepted the right's

view that like if we had a debate, we wouldn't do well in it. And I don't think that's correct.

Like I think if you train for it, I think she'd be better at a debate than I would be because

she's a really good public speaker. And I'm kind of a hesitant public speaker sometimes.

But I think she could win. So I think if she did, that would make our side look really good.

If you just embarrassed, if you just exposed all the stupid things that Marjorie Taylor

Green believes and said like, well, the things that she believes are wrong are the right way

things that you should reject. And the things that she believes that are correct, we believe on the left.

So just come and join the left to forget Marjorie Taylor Green's politics. She could do that.

And I think she could do really well. So why not do it?

Do you think there's an argument that she has more to lose than she does to win?

We do have a lot to lose. I get that. Like if you go up in one of these debates and you don't do well

and you get humiliated and embarrassed, yeah, it's really bad for your side. So they're pretty high

risk. But that's why you shouldn't lose. Okay, so if you were training ASC for this hypothetical

debate with Marjorie Taylor Green, let's take some lessons from this book that you've written.

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