And we're good at it.

I mean, I grew up regulating my parents and helping with siblings and I'm really good at it.

I've had to work so hard to set emotional boundaries and I like I'll imagine I'm in a bubble, right?

And people stuff, it's like I can see it, I can validate it, but it doesn't sink in.

It just hits the bubble and slides down.

I'm so tuned in to other people that I can quickly go into that.

Hairtaking and like I'll be who you need me to be kind of shapeshifting, you know,

in order to make you feel better. And that just, that hurts us.

Hello, I'm Susan Hinkley. And I am Cynthia Winward. And this is at last she said it. We are

women of faith discussing complicated things. And the title of today's episode is, let's talk about enmeshment a conversation with

dr julie de azavado hanks hello julie hello so glad to be here we're thrilled to have you back welcome

thank you thank you i think that you're a guest who needs absolutely no introduction whatsoever, but is there

anything that you'd like to tell our listeners about yourself before we get into the conversation?

I have four adult children, so I get to practice what I preach on a regular basis.

I love hearing that because I'm trying to practice the things you preach and it's not that easy, I'm just going to say.

So I think Cynthia is going to lead us through the discussion today.

So I'm just going to turn it over to Cynthia to intro the topic and let's get into it.

Take it away, Cynthia.

All right.

Well, I am super glad to have Julie here, and I feel like, Susan,

when we have therapists on the show, that we often kind of use it as personal therapy for us. So today may not be

today may not be that different because we need all kinds of help as well in talking about enmeshment.

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