You're listening to the Apple Insider Podcast. I'm Victor Marks and joining me is that Wiley person that that

willful individual that wonderful William Gallagher.

Okay, you've just I mean you're often dropping the old thing I have to respond to

like that but that was all listen is that to make up for the fact that last week I sat here on my own talking to myself about W. W. D.C.

Just because you had done on live from the venue itself.

Yes. live from the venue itself. Yes, it is.

How to do the same.

Right.

That was a good show.

Are you well?

Really, I am well, but I mean, you've been to lots of events I've been to lots of events and things

you kind of get your fill of them but not W WDC that's one I'd love to go so hearing from

Dan right there I thought that was a really interesting episode.

What's interesting is that we all know that that's not a consumer hardware event.

Yes.

Right, it's an event for developers to get an understanding of what's coming in the future and yet the keynote is used as an opportunity to talk about hardware and to talk about where things are today, right?

Yes.

And you and I had discussed whether or not there would be something introduced there.

What was that?

Because I think I'd placed bets that we were and you'd said no.

What happened? I was putting money on Swift UI coming out with

that name doing exactly what it does. So, Kiching, I think I won there.

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