Hello and welcome to worst bestsellers, where we read about the dangers of a secular liberal arts education so you don't have to.

I'm Renata.

And I'm Kate. And for this episode, we read This Present Darkness by Frank Perretti. Joining us to discuss this Christian Mingle approved thriller is Izzy Wasserstein, author and Demon of Regrets. Hi, I'm so delighted to be here. Welcome. Thank you so much for joining us.

And congratulations, by the way, on your new book, which is called These Fragile Graces,

This Fugitive Heart. Thank you so much. I'm so excited to have it out in the world.

Yes. I will also say, normally when we have an author on the show, I like try to read their book before they come on the podcast so I can be like, wow, great book. But you've read this on yourself because you suggested this book and it was so long. I didn't have time to read Yorpe.

It is so long.

I did not realize what I suggested, how long it is.

But I have heard, I have seen the starred review for these fragile graces as a featureative heart and I look forward to reading it.

Well, thank you.

I could, I could tell you it's a lot more queer and fun, I hope, than this present darkness.

My gosh.

Yes, I look forward to reading it, but for now we have to talk about this present darkness.

And so before we get too deep into this present darkness, um, we got, got some content warnings to throw at you.

Uh, they're sort of hard to quantify. There's a lot of false rape accusations, but I don't think any actual rape. So, that's something. Um, that's a low bar we've got that this book had managed to clear.

Demonic possession.

Murder slash suicide slash suicide by demon?

I don't know.

I don't know how to quantify these crimes.

And then just from like talking to people in my life about this book before started

recording, I think if you grew up in some flavors of Christian fundamentalism or

evangelical or whatnot, just just this author's name maybe upsetting to you.

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