Episode 237: The Invisible Labor of Women | A Conversation with Christine Pagano

At Last She Said It

Cynthia Winward

Religion & Spirituality, Feminism, Motherhood, Ldswomen, Spirituality, Lds, Thechurchofjesuschristoflatterdaysaints, Mormonwomen, Religion, Marriage, Mormon, Faith

5 • 900 Ratings

🗓️ 30 September 2025

⏱️ 68 minutes

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Summary

“There’s no roadmap for how to do partnership in patriarchy, at least within our little Mormon frame of reference,” explains Christine Pagano. “Patriarchy believes that men’s time is finite—there’s only 24 hrs—while women’s time is infinite. It’s unlimited. [...] Moms are carrying the load of domestic labor, invisible labor, emotional labor, and relational labor at much higher rates than their male partners.” But it’s not just at home: Within our church organization, women “are tasked with immense emotional, spiritual, and relational labor without equal voice, recognition, or authority. Improving the experience of LDS women means addressing both the invisible burdens they carry and the structural imbalance that keeps those burdens unacknowledged.” In Episode 237, Christine joins Cynthia and Susan for a conversation about bringing the invisible work of women to light so that it can be shared more equitably.

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0:00.0	I learned to equate motherhood with martyrdom.
0:10.0	There was no room to be an individual outside of it, outside of motherhood.
0:15.3	And motherhood isn't, it's not an identity, it's a relationship. Same thing with being a wife.
0:21.4	And if my only divine potential depends on the presence of someone else in my life,
0:28.2	and I have to self-sacrifice for that to happen, we land in that resignation so quickly.
0:35.9	And it's painful.
0:40.8	Hello. resignation so quickly and it's painful. Hello, I'm Susan Hinkley.
0:42.9	And I'm Cynthia Winward.
0:44.6	And this is at last she said it.
0:46.5	We are women of faith discussing complicated things.
0:48.8	And the title of today's episode is The Invisible Labor of Women, a conversation with Christine Pagano.
0:56.3	Hi, Christine.
0:57.8	Hello, thank you so much for having me.
1:01.1	Welcome.
1:02.4	Glad to have you.
1:03.3	You're so happy to have you.
1:04.6	Thank you.
1:05.1	It has been a wonderful journey to be here through all of the episodes.
1:10.0	I'm currently caught up, which is amazing for myself.
1:13.3	Wow.
1:14.0	Yeah, very excited to be here.
1:16.4	We can't pay you enough.
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