Episode 235: Is it Too Expensive to be a Latter-day Saint? | A Conversation with Natalie Brown

At Last She Said It

Cynthia Winward

Religion & Spirituality, Feminism, Motherhood, Ldswomen, Spirituality, Lds, Thechurchofjesuschristoflatterdaysaints, Mormonwomen, Religion, Marriage, Mormon, Faith

5 • 900 Ratings

🗓️ 16 September 2025

⏱️ 63 minutes

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Summary

“In all my angst about if I would marry and if I would have children and if I would have a career, I did not fully consider how the ideals in this proclamation from The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints reflected a certain moment in white, middle-class America’s economic history,” writes Natalie Brown. Most Latter-day Saints have absorbed a lifetime of talks and lessons centered around an “ideal” family model in which a father goes to work and a mother stays at home with the children. This arrangement is no longer economically possible for many American families, and the disconnect between Church teachings and members’ lived experience can have many consequences. In Episode 235, Susan and Cynthia are joined by Natalie to explore the collision of realities that have changed with teachings that haven’t. How might our church adapt to better serve members caught in the middle?

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0:00.0	Hello everyone. Cynthia here. Just wanting to give you a quick message before we jump in today's
0:06.3	episode that sadly we did have some sound issues in recording this. So you may not be able to listen to it
0:14.3	if you're driving 70 miles an hour in traffic on the freeway, but that we hope you will listen
0:19.7	anyway, maybe when you're in a
0:21.1	quieter space, because the wisdom that Natalie brought to this episode blew us away.
0:26.5	She brought up so many things that we just can't wait to share with you.
0:31.1	Enjoy.
0:33.8	You know, so I have not decided how I personally want to pay my typing going forward but I
0:42.5	did spend a lot of time reading you know the scriptures about tidying about the United
0:47.3	Order and I don't think it was intended to be a system in which people are going
0:52.0	without in order to pay tighting.
0:54.6	That does not feel right to me.
0:57.4	I don't know what the system is intended to be, but I think that my own understanding
1:02.5	has perhaps been too formulaic and that I need to think more deeply about this issue and
1:08.2	how it applies to today's moment.
1:13.9	Hello, I'm Susan Hinkley.
1:19.6	And I am Cynthia Winward. And this is at last she said it. We are women of faith discussing complicated things. And the title of today's episode is, is it too expensive to be a Latter-day
1:25.4	Saint? A conversation with Natalie Brown.
1:28.8	Welcome, Natalie.
1:30.2	Hey, I'm so happy to be here again.
1:32.6	We are happy to have you back.
1:33.8	We are thrilled to have you.
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