You two have helped me so much.

I know there was a season or two where you were like, ladies, find your voice, listen

to your inner knowing.

And I remember having my headphones on and listening and feeling so small and so underdeveloped and in my head I kind of have a conversation

with you and be like okay okay okay I can do it I'll listen to myself wait could you just say that

one more time could you say it like a thousand more times because I needed to hear it like a million

times to have permission because I really

needed a permission slip to dismantle the good girl voices in my head. Hello, I'm Cynthia

Winward. And I'm Susan Hinkley. And this is at last she said it. We are Women of Faith discussing

complicated things. And the title of today's episode is Embracing Your Journey, A Conversation with

Jen Dilley. Welcome, Jen. Hi, Jen. Hi, thank you. I'm so excited to be here with both of you. Well, Jen, we're so excited to have you today. We're excited to hear more about your journey. In many ways, I feel like Susan and I have interacted with you a lot lately, and yeah, and we'll get to that. But also, I feel like we don't know you terribly well. So I know Susan and I have said to each other, I am so excited because it's like Christmas for us.

We have no idea what packages we're going to unwrap today with Jen.

So, yeah, we're super excited.

Thanks again for being here with us.

Oh, thanks for having me.

This is going to be a treat.

Well, Susan is going to lead our conversation today. So go ahead, Susan.

All right. My pleasure. So, Jen, we have sort of retooled our questions that we usually use for these episodes.

And you were the first one trying out the new set of questions.

So we're excited about that.

But we want to start where these interviews usually start.

And that is with the beginning, kind of how it all started for you.

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