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"American Extremists Aiding Radicals Across Border," trumpeted the Detroit Free Press in 1919. "707 Illegal Aliens Arrested in Checkpoint Crackdown," reported the Los Angeles Times in 1987. "87 Bronx gang members responsible for nine years of murders and drug-dealing charged in largest takedown in NYC history," announced the New York Daily News in 2016. "'Top secret' Hamas documents show that terrorists intentionally targeted elementary schools and a youth center," claimed NBC News in 2023.
Each of these headlines includes a label for a certain type of Bad Guy. Whether it’s the "Extremist," the "Illegal Alien," the "Gang Member," or the "Terrorist," these terms—and their cousins—seek to exceptionalize the alleged transgressions of their targets, separate them from both the law and history and dehumanize them, all while priming media audiences for crueler laws, harsher policing, longer incarceration and sometimes even extrajudicial punishment. The terms, of course, don’t have clear, universally accepted definitions—nor are they supposed to—their use is often heavily racialized and, by their very nature, subject to the whims and ideologies of the Security State and the media doing its bidding.
What effects, then, do these Bad Guy Labels have on public perceptions? How do they serve to foreclose critical thinking about who is deemed inside the bounds of due process and humanization and who is categorically an other in urgent need of disappearing and punishment?
On this episode, we examine four thought-terminating Bad Guy labels, analyze their origins, why they rose to prominence and explain how they are selectively evoked in order to turn off people’s brains and open up space for quick and cruel state violence.
Our guest is attorney and author Alec Karakatsanis.
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0:50.4 | and support us there. American extremists aiding radicals across border, trumpeted the Detroit Free Press back in |
1:00.3 | 1919. |
1:02.4 | 707 illegal aliens arrested in checkpoint crackdown, reported to Los Angeles Times in 1987. |
1:10.9 | 87 Bronx gang members responsible for nine years of murders and drug dealing |
1:15.8 | charged in largest takedown in New York City history, announced the New York Daily News in 2016. |
1:24.4 | Top secret Hamas documents show that terrorists intentionally targeted elementary schools and a youth center, |
1:31.1 | claimed NBC News just a couple years ago in 2023. |
1:35.9 | These headlines all include a label for a certain type of bad guy, what we're calling on this episode a bad guy label. |
1:42.4 | Whether it's extremist, illegal alien, |
1:45.6 | gang member, or terrorist, these terms and their cousins seek to exceptionalize the alleged |
1:50.9 | transgression of their targets, separate them from both law and history, and dehumanize |
1:55.6 | them all while priming media audiences for crueler laws, harsher policing, longer incarceration, |
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