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Hello and welcome to the LawFair podcast. I'm Benjamin Wittis. In today's episode,

the latest in our series of interviews with people of non-legal expertise of

interest to LawFair readers, Stephen Tancel sits down with Ridica Singh to discuss U.S.

Pakistani terrorism cooperation, the end game in Afghanistan, and Lashgari Toyba. Tancel,

an assistant professor at American University and a non-resident scholar at the Carnegie

Endowment in the South Asia program, is an expert on insurgency, terrorism, the evolution

of non-state armed groups, and political and security issues in South Asia. He has conducted

field research on conflicts and militancy in Algeria, India, Lebanon, Pakistan, and the Balkans.

His most recent book is Storming the World Stage, the story of Lashgari Toyba, a timely

look at one of the world's most complex and dangerous terrorist groups.

I'd like to begin by asking you how you would describe U.S. Pakistani cooperation on

terrorism issues, both on the operational side of things and on the intelligence side

of things.

Sure. Thank you very much for the opportunity to participate in this program. I think

it's no secret, probably to a lot of your listeners, that U.S. Pakistani cooperation,

operationally, and in terms of intelligent sharing, has been flowed over time, and it's

very hard to sort of get a fixed read on where things stand on a given day. Broadly speaking,

if one wanted to say from an operational or intelligence perspective, one of the areas

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