Episode 215 Promo - Italy's Meloni: Girl Boss or Fascist?
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🗓️ 2 October 2022
⏱️ 8 minutes
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Summary
This week, Briahna speaks to Paolo Gerbaudo, sociologist and political theorist based at King’s College London about newly elected Italian Prime Minister Giorgia Meloni. Is she part and parcel of a wave of right wing "fascists" that have been sweeping the globe, or is the "f word" an overreach in this case? Is her win a win for women everywhere, as Hillary Clintons suggested? Or is there good reason to be concerned about her "focus on the family" style speeches which highlight an alleged war on traditional values. What conditions on the ground lead to her rise to power, and what hope is there for Italy's left?
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| 0:00.0 | So I took you on a follow up and detour away from the main event here, which is Meloni |
| 0:03.5 | and how the Western media is covering it anyway is a battle over whether or not she is in |
| 0:09.6 | fact a fascist. |
| 0:11.5 | It's a politically diverse group on both sides. |
| 0:15.2 | There are mainstream corporate media op-eds explaining Meloni is not the best, but she is |
| 0:22.6 | no fascist. |
| 0:24.6 | And you have others in the same media context. |
| 0:28.2 | The corporate ties, Neoliberal media context saying absolutely she is a fascist. |
| 0:32.0 | She is part and parcel of the growing wave of fascism across the globe. |
| 0:35.0 | This is a real danger. |
| 0:37.3 | And there are people on the left I've seen who have said, well, sure, she's bad. |
| 0:40.8 | She's a fascist, but who isn't with Neoliberalism being what it is and Joe Biden being who |
| 0:46.6 | he is? |
| 0:47.6 | Yeah, I'll call her a fascist, but I want to be clear that she's no worse than any |
| 0:51.8 | of the leaders here who are making a big stink about her just because she uses a certain |
| 0:56.3 | kind of language, but at the end of the day, the economic policies. |
| 0:59.8 | And many of the social policies are right in line with democratic Neoliberalism. |
| 1:04.0 | What do you make of this for? |
| 1:05.2 | Yes, it's a difficult question as it depends much on what people mean by fascists or how |
| 1:11.8 | they think being a fascist or not being a fascist going to imply in terms of how we judge |
| 1:17.6 | these people. |
| 1:18.6 | She certainly was a fascist. |
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