On this episode of Newt's World is time to get tough and around.

And I'm delighted to welcome, I guess, somebody I've known for many years who has been one

of the most balanced, nonpartisan, straight shooting foreign policy experts in Washington.

Cliff May is the founder and president of the Foundation for the Defense of Democracies,

which is a nonpartisan policy institute focusing on national security, created immediately

after the 9-11 attacks in the United States.

Under Cliff's leadership, the Foundation for the Defense of Democracies has become one

of the nation's most highly regarded think tanks and a sought after voice on a remarkably

wide range of national security issues.

Let's start Cliff with your own personal background.

Why you founded the Foundation for the Defense of Democracies.

Thanks for having me on.

As you well know, I'm kind of a recovering journalist.

I spent many, many years as a foreign correspondent or a Washington correspondent for the New

York Times, which was once upon a time a great newspaper.

I don't like the state it's in now and other media organizations.

As you mentioned, FED, I got it started just after the attacks of 9-11-01.

I'll just mention this interesting thing.

The idea for it came about earlier in conversations I had with people you knew and will remember

of my young interns generally don't.

Jack Camp and Jing Truff Patrick, and I knew them from my reporting career at the New York

Times.

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