I was always critical of mandates for progressive reasons because I felt like they'll have secondary spillover effects on existing vaccine campaigns

This is what the Europeans the Scandinavians also believed they'd have spillover effects on school attendance

If you take a healthy child and keep them out of school the damage to that child is so much greater than this vaccine particularly

I'll leave it at that and again

I'm sort of sympathetic to your colleagues views on masking etc

Why because I think that with the progressive side we got a lot of these issues wrong

We were on the wrong side of school closure

We're on the wrong side of vaccine mandates to go to school. We're still on the wrong side of masking two year olds

We are against the World Health Organization there and we're on the wrong side of aggressively pushing a

perpetual booster campaign which is really the end game of Pfizer and Moderna and their stockholders without holding them to task

And so there I totally agree with your co-host. Yeah, man

Before it's about the school closure bit is this in the beginning before we had vaccines

I do think it made sense like a lot of things made sense back then

Because people were dying not just being hospitalized in large numbers with dying in large numbers and although kids were not

affected

Significantly they were vectors it frustrates me sometimes that the

Dialogue around school closure because always well kids aren't hurt well kids don't live in a vacuum and anybody who's been a parent or a teacher

Knows how frequently kids make you sick

So the argument back then was you know, are you gonna kill grandma?

Like what if a lot of people live with older parents or older caretakers grandparents etc

Especially lower income people were the larger families tend to be under one roof and people from various ethnic groups for that's more common

I totally agree with the premise of your argument

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