I think maybe Carlos was part of the Mexican Mafia kind of a thing.

I think maybe that's how him and James were connected.

I didn't know anything about this Carlos guy until pretty much before we went on vacation

with them.

We all had a big vacation and my family was my wife and Anthony, his girl and James.

I mean, that James I've been and was a tawny was there.

Maybe tawny was there.

I kind of got to spend so long, we're talking about years, two decades ago.

The man, we had a great time, I think it was great and you know, he was, you know, partying

quite a bit, you know what I mean.

But we just, I just didn't, didn't really expect this from, from Ivan, you know what I'm

mean.

When I think it was a quarter trial, I have one shot more opportunity to be not guilty.

Or I go to prison, can death row?

Mm-hmm.

Except the reality of it.

We imposed an alibi, we have caught people in line.

This is just insane because everybody's pointing the finger at somebody else.

You just don't hear every day walking in somebody's house or they take plastic out and pop

somebody.

So he could get the execution date pretty much any day?

Yeah.

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