Episode 207 - Wars and Trade Wars (Ft. Ben Norton)

The Deprogram

JT, Hakim, and Yugopnik

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4.8 • 1K Ratings

🗓️ 14 November 2025

⏱️ 125 minutes

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The US military is waging war on Venezuela one murdered fisherman at a time - this and more /w Ben Norton. You are listening to this episode 1 week after it was released. To get episodes on time, up to 2 exclusive episodes a month, discord access, merch discounts and plenty more - check out our Patreon - https://www.patreon.com/TheDeprogram BUY DEPROGRAM MERCH: https://deprogramshop.com/ Check out his work here - https://geopoliticaleconomy.com/ Support the show Support the show on Patreon...

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0:00.0	All right, so what's it called? We have a fantastic guest today. We're going to do the introduction
0:03.3	in a second, but we were talking off air about Ugo's alcoholism. Ben, you were telling me something
0:09.0	very important. Well, first of all, the most important thing everyone needs to realize is
0:14.9	Ugupnik in real life walks around with the mask on. It's crazy. I blew my mind. I saw him walking down the street in China. And I was like, is this guy going to rob me? And I was like, whoa, that's you, you gopnik. And then people were asking us, they were like, wait a second. Why isn't the, why doesn't the police tell you to take off the mask? And Ugopnik said in fluent Chinese, he said, comrades, you have to understand, I'm
0:39.5	Ugopnik.
0:40.4	And they all said, oh, Yugopnik, you can keep the mask on.
0:43.3	It's okay.
0:44.7	He's well known.
0:46.0	His breath line.
0:46.7	He's right.
0:47.0	Ugopnik.
0:48.8	Dude, the only reason he was not intimidated is because he literally has seven security special forces
0:57.8	Chinese officers around him at all times.
1:02.1	We weren't planning on meeting up.
1:03.9	We weren't planning on meeting up.
1:05.3	I would be too intimidated by Ben's towering intellect.
1:09.8	And of course, somebody's so high up in the Chinese Communist Party, I can't just reach out
1:14.0	like this.
1:14.8	But I was just walking down a city.
1:17.0	The official name is the Communist Party in China.
1:20.3	Okay, you English-speaking motherfuckers.
1:22.4	I'm going to call it KPK, Communististis, Karek.
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