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The Deprogram

Episode 206 - Grass Touchers vs Doom Scrollers (Ft. Taylor Lorenz)

The Deprogram

JT, Hakim, and Yugopnik

Education

4.81K Ratings

🗓️ 7 November 2025

⏱️ 58 minutes

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Tech - who gets to run it? Find Taylor's work here: Youtube - https://www.youtube.com/@TaylorLorenz UserMag - https://www.usermag.co/ Substack - https://substack.com/@taylorlorenz Book - Extremely Online: The Untold Story of Fame, Influence, and Power on the Internet Support the show Support the show on Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/TheDeprogram Follow us on Twitter: https://twitter.com/TheDeprogramPod

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0:00.0

Hello everyone and welcome back to yet another episode of the D program,

0:05.0

a show that would under the potential new American SPM7 regulations be classified as a terrorist organization.

0:14.0

Today we have acclaimed journalist, author, fellow mask wearer and content creator rights activist with us, Taylor Lorenz. Taylor,

0:22.4

thank you for taking the time to come on the show. Please tell our audience a little bit about

0:27.0

yourself and where they can find your very important work. Thank you. Yes, I'm an American

0:34.0

journalist. You can find me on YouTube. Pretty much every social media app out there, Instagram, TikTok, X.

0:41.7

I also have a substack called UserMag, where I read about sort of tech and online culture news roundups.

0:48.8

And I make content and do journalism about sort of internet culture, influencer culture, the attention

0:55.0

economy, and also a lot about like privacy and surveillance and free speech and civil liberties

0:59.8

online. And I've been doing journalism for about 15 years and I just, I quit my full-time job

1:07.3

just about a year ago actually this week. Feels good, right?

1:11.4

Very liberating.

1:12.4

Or are you already regretting it?

1:15.4

No, I don't regret it at all.

1:17.4

I was independent before.

1:19.1

So it was sort of a weird detour to work in the mainstream media.

1:23.6

And I'm pretty glad to be on my own again.

1:26.8

I would like to actually ask a question about that. I mean, we're kind of jumping into the questions a little bit early, but I always wondered, because I don't know anybody who has worked in journalism in the kind of halls that you've frequented, in the quote-unquote respectable journalism, if you know, if you catch my drift, the types that, oh, yeah, if it's a source that

1:44.8

says Washington Post and people will take it, will not take it for granted, if I'm using

1:49.5

the English correctly, meaning they won't double, they won't ask too much about it if it's

1:53.9

written there versus a different source. Did you find it suffocating to work in these spaces?

2:00.3

Yeah, I think I, you know, there were so many things that I learned and I'm glad that I did work at these places because I think I had a lot of misconceptions.

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