Katie Herzog, it's great to see you.

You can't see me, actually, we never do this on camera for a reason.

I'm picturing you in my mind.

Funny you should bring that up, Jessie, because I learned recently. I had a, because I learned recently, I had, actually this has been sort of traumatic.

I wasn't sure that I was going to talk about it on the show, but since you brought it up, I will.

Jesse, I did not know until very recently that most people when they picture

things or images or people in their minds they have an actual picture in their

mind I did not know that and you lack this this ability. I lack this ability. This is called a

Fantasia? Like some sort of sad robot with a broken microchip. Yeah, I have no inner images. I have no ability to visualize and this has been it's been really

upsetting me I wrote a piece about it even I wrote a 5,000 word piece about my

about my about my lack of an inner life for which platform for no platform because

I haven't I haven't submitted it anywhere yet and I'm not sure that it will get published even if I can.

But by the way, we should just say for any aspiring freelance writers out there, that's how you do it. Just write the whole thing at

5,000 words and then send the whole manuscript. Yes this is how I do it. I don't

like to write. I don't like to pitch. I like to construct the whole

sort because if you write just a pitch pitch your editor is going to be like no

make these changes I like to have the full thing done in advance besides I don't

make a living off of writing so I can do what I want but yes yeah so I had no

idea that people could literally visualize things in their brains and that

I lack this ability to do it.

And so I have spent the last month or so trying to force myself to visualize and I have had

zero luck. I cannot see a

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