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Gender Reveal

Episode 197: Marquis Bey

Gender Reveal

Tuck Woodstock

Society & Culture, Documentary, Personal Journals

4.71.3K Ratings

🗓️ 16 March 2026

⏱️ 64 minutes

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Summary

Tuck and Ozzy chat with scholar Marquis Bey (they/them). Topics include:

  • If we abolish gender, what will happen to sex changes?
  • Is nonbinary bourgeois?
  • Learning about nonbinary from incarcerated queer studies students
  • If neither of us care about gender, then what are we doing on this gender podcast?! 
  • Plus: Burner genders, replacing "community" with "swarms," and pushing back against the assimilation of they/them 

This Week in Gender: Nicole Kelly spotlights QueerSouf, one of the 2025 Gender Reveal grant recipients. (Transcript here.)

Find Marquis at marquisbey.com. Marquis's new book, Nonbinary Life, will be released on April 16.

Planning a Trans Day of Snack event? Apply for a microgrant at bit.ly/TDOS2026. 

Save $5 on Sex Change and the City in the Girl Dad shop with code SNACK!

Join our Patreon to access our weekly newsletter and monthly Gender Conceal episodes, including our upcoming advice episode with Mattie & Calvin!

Find transcripts and starter packs at genderpodcast.com. We're also on Instagram @gendereveal.

Senior Producer: Ozzy Llinas Goodman
Logo: Ira M. Leigh
Music: Breakmaster Cylinder
Additional music: Blue Dot Sessions
Sponsors: DeleteMe (code: TUCK20) and Max Burns UX (mention Rhubarb)

Transcript

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0:00.0

Welcome to Gender Appeal, a podcast where we hopefully get a little bit closer to understanding what the hell gender is.

0:21.9

I'm your host and resident gender detective, Tuck Woodstock.

0:32.7

Hey, everyone. I hope you've all been hanging in there. Today on the show, I am very, very excited to share

0:38.4

Ozzie's in my conversation with Marquise Bay. Marquise is an academic who has written several

0:43.3

books, including anarcho blackness, black trans feminism, and system failure, in which system

0:48.9

is spelled C-I-S-T-E-M. See what they did there. In today's episode, we talk about Marquise's new book,

0:55.3

Non-Binary Life, which comes out in April. Topics include Burner Genders and Bodega Genders,

1:00.8

teaching non-binary studies in prison, whether non-binary is bourgeois, and whether we should

1:06.2

just go ahead and abolish gender. I think ultimately where I would want to go from here is we don't have

1:12.1

pronouns, we don't have genders, and there's other things that we are more interested in talking about.

1:18.7

But before we get to all that, just a reminder that Trans Day of having a nice snack is coming up

1:22.3

at the end of the month, and we are offering microgrants of up to $200 for you to plan a little

1:27.1

snack and mutual aid event in your area. Many, many more details are in last week's bonus episode, which is conveniently titled TransDAF Snack 2026. But to apply for a microgrant, head to bit.ly slash t-d-os 26 and fill out that form. That is all caps, T-D-O-S-2026. You can also donate to the micro-grant fund, either via PayPal.me-S-T-Woodstock or on Venmo at Tuck-Hifin Woodstock. And speaking of snack, you can use the code snack to get $5 off copies of sex change in the city in the Girl Dad Press Shop anytime between now and Trans Day of Snack.

2:01.1

That is $5 per copy. So if you order three copies, you get $15 off, which is a sick deal.

2:07.6

Tell your friends, the book is very good. We have a lot of copies. Again, that is the code snack for $5 off,

2:12.7

applicable to all purchases of sex change in the city in the Girl Dad shop, which you can find

2:17.0

at this is

2:17.8

trans. info. And now, it's time for this week in gender. This week, I am thrilled to launch a new

2:30.3

miniseries that's like doing a residency inside the This Week in gender space. Back when the GenderVial Grant first started, we used to feature the winners on the podcast, which was fine because there were like three winners per grant cycle, but now there are like 20 winners per grant cycle. So we have not been talking about them on the podcast much at all, which is a shame because they are so, so, so, so, so, so cool and I want you to know about them. So to remedy that a little bit, we will be sharing short documentaries about a few of

2:56.6

our 2025 gender reveal grant recipients over the next few months in the This Week in Gender

3:01.2

Spot. These segments are all created by the wonderful Nicole Kelly, who is an audio producer,

3:07.3

the host of Basketcase. She also

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