You're listening to the Bible for Normal People, the only God ordained podcast on the internet.

Serious talk about the sacred book, I'm Pete Ends.

And I'm Jared Byas.

Hello everybody, welcome to the Bible for Normal People podcast.

Our topic today is the Bible and intersex believers and our guest is Megan DeFranza.

She is a theologian and she's currently serving as a visiting researcher

at Boston University School of Theology.

And that's pretty impressive folks.

I don't know if I have to tell you that but it is.

And she's written a wonderful book to sex difference in Christian theology.

And this topic, you know, the Bible and intersex believers, like

what is that even mean? Well that's, you know, Megan's going to help us understand that

because I know I can speak for myself and for Jared a little bit too.

You know I'm 56 years old when I was in high school. Like

what? This wasn't even on the way.

You know, last year this wasn't on my radar screen.

It wasn't until Megan came to speak at Eastern University where I teach

where she's talking and I'm like, oh, I didn't know any of this.

And it's really interesting and it affects people's lives and ways that I can't even imagine.

Yeah. And after after she spoke at Eastern Pete,

was telling me about it over dinner or something and I had to talk with her.

So I just got on the phone right after that and said, what is this?

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