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record we are recording keith just threw us up so okay we're on here so keith are you are you in austin or where are you physically actually live i know i know payday effects is in austin but where are you at right and in austin barton hills oh nice yeah i'm taking him from barton hills did you grow up there?

No, San Antonio.

Oh, well, you're pretty close.

Yeah, like I think I told'm taking in from Martin Hills. Did you grow up there? No, San Antonio.

Oh, well, you're pretty close. Yeah, like I, I think I told you, I went to UT Austin. Right. I love Austin. That's a great, that whole corridor between, you know, Austin and San Antonio and that, you know, you got San, you know, San Marcos and all that. Right. you know then New Brotholes and then some of the surrounding Frederick's

that whole area.

That's, in my view, that's my favorite part of Texas.

You know, I love it here, man.

I, you know, went to high school here and went to Clark High School in San Antonio back when

that was the boonies of San Antonio.

I mean, that was the sticks.

It's not that way now, but yeah,

it was, we were the redneck kids back in the day. And then went to school at Southwest Texas State, for those of us that went back in the day. Yeah, I remember that. I dated a girl down there.

I remember I was actually Austin dating a girl Southwest. Now it's not Texas State, but

right. Back in the day, you know. Yeah, man. Played football back in the, uh, the end of the gym Wacker days. So that was a cool experience. Cool. Awesome. So let me ask you because, you know, obviously, well, we want to get into the paleo effects stuff. But, I mean, I don't.

I don't really know your background much beyond that you're the paleo effects dude, you know, you and your wife and stuff like that. So tell us a little bit about Keith Norris, you know, what your story is. How did you, you know, initially get into this stuff? I mean, you know, what drove you to what you're doing now? Well, Sean, like a lot of people,

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