Episode 184: Talia Mae Bettcher

Gender Reveal

Tuck Woodstock

Lgbtq, Documentary, Queer, Personal Journals, Gender, Nonbinary, Society & Culture, Genderqueer, Transgender, Trans

4.8 • 1.3K Ratings

🗓️ 17 March 2025

⏱️ 47 minutes

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Summary

Ozzy and Tuck chat with philosopher Talia Mae Bettcher (she/her). Topics include:

Creating a theory of trans oppression beyond the “wrong body” and “beyond the binary” accounts
How clothing can be part of an abusive system of forced disclosure
“Let’s meditate on genitalia if we can for a moment”
Why are there so many terfs in philosophy??
Plus: Phoria, apparitionals, moral sex, and other fun new vocab

This Week in Gender: Updates on Trans Day of Having a Nice Snack community events! Apply for funding at bit.ly/tdos2025 or donate at @Tuck-Woodstock & PayPal.me/TWoodstock.

Submit a piece of Theymail: Today’s messages were from Queer Third Space and Voces Language Club.

Find Talia’s work here and here. Beyond Personhood is available from University of Minnesota Press.

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Senior Producer: Ozzy Llinas Goodman
Logo: Ira M. Leigh
Music: Breakmaster Cylinder
Additional music: “Kickstep” by Blue Dot Sessions
Sponsors: DeleteMe (code: TUCK20)

Transcript

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0:00.0	Welcome to Gender Reveal, a podcast where we hopefully get a little bit closer to understanding what the hell gender is.
0:21.6	I'm your host and resident gender detective, Tuck Woodstock.
0:34.0	Hey, everyone. I hope you've all been hanging in there.
0:37.0	Today on the show, I am very excited to share Aussie's conversation with philosopher Talia May Becher.
0:42.4	I was also there, but just a little bit, mostly Aussie.
0:45.8	Talia is a very influential thinker and author in the fields of trans and feminist philosophy.
0:50.6	And in this conversation, we talk about evil deceivers and make believers,
0:55.5	biological sex versus something called moral sex, the prevalence of turfs in philosophy,
1:01.5	and what Talia calls the existential what the fuck. A lot of us trans folk, you know,
1:07.8	our philosophers in the sense that we're constantly trying to figure out what's going on.
1:12.2	Quick content warning for this episode, four or five minutes into the interview section.
1:16.5	Talia mentions the murder of Gwen Arrajo and also talks about the concept of genital verification,
1:22.7	or in other words, like groping. So nothing graphic, but just FYI that's going to come up near the top. Before we get to
1:30.2	that, though, just wanted you to know in case you didn't hear something really exciting, which is that
1:34.0	gender ordeal is coming to the Midwest. On Thursday, April 24th, we will be at Color Club in Chicago,
1:40.3	and on Friday, April 25th, we will be at the Hook and Ladder Theater in South Minneapolis.
1:46.2	Look, by the numbers, we should not be going to Minneapolis, but the crew of gender review
1:51.5	of gender review listeners insisted that everybody would come to the show. So everybody better
1:56.7	come to the show. If you're wondering what gender ordeal is, at this point, I'm calling it a comedy show.
2:02.9	It's a comedy show.
2:04.0	Come to the comedy show.
2:05.3	Tickets are on sale now at genderpodcast.com slash live.
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