Episode 181: Checking in with Dean Spade
Gender Reveal
Tuck Woodstock
4.8 • 1.3K Ratings
🗓️ 9 December 2024
⏱️ 68 minutes
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Summary
Tuck & Ozzy catch up with organizer and author Dean Spade (he/him). Topics include:
- Tools for moving through jealousy, handling in-group conflict, and supporting someone during a breakup
- Why symbolic arrests aren’t currently an effective political strategy
- Why mutual aid is most important when we feel scared, avoidant or isolated
- Plus: “Better” titles for Dean’s book, promiscuous friendship, and what you should do about that gender marker on your ID…
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Senior Producer: Ozzy Llinas Goodman
Logo: Ira M. Leigh
Music: Breakmaster Cylinder
Additional Music: “Kovir Straight” & “Gin Boheme” by Blue Dot Sessions
Sponsors: DeleteMe (code: TUCK20) & Queer Candle Co (promo code: GENDER10)
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| 0:57.0 | Welcome to Gender Reveal, a podcast where we hopefully get a little bit closer to understanding what the hell gender is. |
| 0:59.1 | I'm your host and resident gender detective, Tuck Woodstock. Hey everyone. Hope you've all been hanging in there. This week on the show, I am very, very excited to share my conversation with Dean Spade. You might remember Dean from our first episode with him, which was published almost exactly two years ago. For some reason, Dean and I exclusively record the day after Thanksgiving. Beautiful. |
| 1:29.1 | Anyway, in that first interview, we talked a lot about mutual aid, burnout, and why civil rights |
| 1:34.1 | laws won't save us. All of that is, of course, incredibly timely. So if you've never heard |
| 1:38.2 | that episode, I recommend going back and listening to it. Now, Dean has a new book, which is coming |
| 1:43.2 | out next month. It's called Love in a |
| 1:45.1 | fucked up world. And this one is all about interpersonal relationships and how developing |
| 1:49.5 | more relationship tools will make it easier for all of us to do the community building |
| 1:53.6 | and movement work that we all need to do in order to stay alive amidst various crises. |
| 1:59.4 | So in today's interview, Dean and Ozzy and I chat about strategies for |
| 2:03.9 | supporting a friend through a breakup, navigating situations where people are fighting and trying to |
| 2:08.9 | make you choose sides, and dealing with jealousy and relationships. Other people's sexual |
| 2:14.4 | freedom and well-being and exploration is not actually a threat to me. |
| 2:19.0 | Living like it is, that's not liberation for me. |
| 2:22.0 | We also talk about why our work isn't going to radically change when Trump gets back into power, |
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