Episode 18 -- Creative Depression
This Jungian Life Podcast
Joseph Lee, Deborah Stewart, Lisa Marchiano
4.7 • 2.1K Ratings
🗓️ 2 August 2018
⏱️ 39 minutes
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Summary
Creative depression demands that we suffer a journey into the deep wells of the psyche in quest of new life. It differs from other kinds of depression in how it is imaged in dreams, its antecedents in the person’s life history, and in relationships.
The Dream:
I was gardening and all my seeds were failing. The plants they were producing looked old and withered as they broke the soil. I went to a water barrel to irrigate the sad plot and instead of water, there was a red liquid in the barrel. Not sure if wine, blood…it didn’t seem significant. I siphoned some down a hose to the garden and what looked like snow started falling and covering the garden. Then in a back corner of the garden, I saw movement…when I approached the spot, I saw a person stand up from under the soil. As if he had a gown like a plant. I don’t know who it was in waking life, but in the dream, he seemed familiar. I remember being more intrigued than bewildered by the person. Then I woke.
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| 0:00.0 | Welcome to this Jungian life. |
| 0:03.0 | Three good friends and Jungian analysts, Lisa Marciano, Deborah Stewart and Joseph Lee, |
| 0:09.0 | invite you to join them for an intimate and honest conversation that brings a psychological perspective to important issues of the day. |
| 0:17.0 | I'm Lisa Marciano and I'm a youngian analyst in Philadelphia. I'm Joseph Lee and I'm a youngian analyst in Virginia Beach, Virginia. |
| 0:27.0 | I'm Deborah Stewart, a youngian analyst on Cape Cod. |
| 0:31.0 | And today, the three of us are going to talk about creative depressions. |
| 0:37.0 | That sounds so uplifting. |
| 0:39.0 | That sounds like a contradiction in terms. |
| 0:41.0 | It is a contradiction in terms. And is a contradiction in terms and when I've introduced it to |
| 0:45.4 | clients over the years it has been met with relief sometimes and confusion and |
| 0:50.6 | curiosity but I think overall people are often very hopeful to think that |
| 0:58.6 | their suffering could be leaning to something beautiful or constructive. |
| 1:04.9 | And I think that's a wonderful idea |
| 1:06.6 | that the psycho analytic community is unique |
| 1:09.2 | in their approach to it. |
| 1:10.6 | Right, because I mean, just to frame it |
| 1:12.2 | before we even define it, I mean, obviously the way our culture feels about depression is that it's bad and you have to get rid of it as quickly as possible. |
| 1:22.0 | And there is this idea in in-depth psychology |
| 1:25.8 | that it could be necessary and could be leading somewhere important. |
| 1:31.5 | There's a purpose to it. |
| 1:33.0 | The energy is going somewhere. |
| 1:35.0 | It's in the unconscious. |
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