Episode 17 -- Lying
This Jungian Life Podcast
Joseph Lee, Deborah Stewart, Lisa Marchiano
4.7 • 2.1K Ratings
🗓️ 26 July 2018
⏱️ 46 minutes
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Summary
Lying, hiding and sneaking are examples of trickster behavior, discussed as they occur in political and personal spheres. When is this behavior in service to individuation, and when is it in service to regressive, or unconscious, aspects of the psyche?
The dream:
I had a dream a couple of days ago where I was cut in half by a shaman. The setting of this dream occurred in my backyard. The shaman was Aztec it seemed. At the same time I was a shaman too, who was willing to be sacrificed by this shaman. He cut me in half with a ceremony knife and as he cut snakes came out of my body. An extension of this dream was of a snake crawling up my spine to talk to me. I don’t remember what it said.
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| 0:00.0 | Welcome to this Jungian life. |
| 0:03.0 | Three good friends and Jungian analysts, Lisa Marciano, Deborah Stewart and Joseph Lee, |
| 0:09.0 | invite you to join them for an intimate and honest conversation that brings a psychological perspective to important issues of the day. |
| 0:17.0 | I'm Lisa Marciano and I'm a youngian analyst in Philadelphia. I'm Joseph Lee and I'm a youngian analyst in Virginia Beach, Virginia. |
| 0:27.0 | I'm Deborah Stewart, a youngian analyst on Cape Cod. |
| 0:31.0 | So today we're going to be talking about lying. Lying. That's right. And is there any of that going on in the collective virtually as we speak it seems like it's |
| 0:47.0 | everywhere it's a big big topic so we can't turn on the television, listen to a podcast without something going on with |
| 0:57.0 | Mueller's investigations and Manafort getting busted and Donald Trump and Stormy Daniels. |
| 1:05.0 | One wonders, shall we call it a cover-up? |
| 1:08.0 | Is that different from lying? |
| 1:10.0 | Or is that just probably another way of referring to the same thing? |
| 1:14.3 | Mm-hmm and that there is something in the human psyche, something in the human soul, that |
| 1:20.0 | when we're under a certain amount of duress or fear that we go to hiding and lying and gas lighting, |
| 1:28.0 | misrepresenting. |
| 1:29.4 | Trixturing. |
| 1:30.4 | Trixturing. So now we're talking about the archetype of the trickster. So let's |
| 1:35.4 | unpack that since we are a Jungian podcast. What about the trickster? Well we've |
| 1:40.4 | talked a little bit about Brear Rabbit, |
| 1:44.4 | the hero who always escapes by being a trickster. |
| 1:48.4 | He lies, he gets out of trouble, he's a deceiver, and of course he's a deceiver and of course he is a hero and he's a survivor |
| 1:57.1 | that because like rabbits in the natural world they're vulnerable and they have to use certain instincts to be able to minimize or escape from danger. |
| 2:11.0 | Yes, rabbits like human beings physically do not have claws or beaks or other ways of defending themselves. |
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