I'm Jonathan Lehman, and welcome to this special episode of Nine Marks Pastors Talk.

Nine Marks exist to equip church leaders.

You wanted to break in there, pretend you were marked ever, didn't you, Eric?

I did.

I don't have anything as snarky as you'd probably say right yeah uh nine mark exists okay church leaders a biblical vision

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yes i think that's and that's matt smethst also standing in in this conversation.

So two brothers, old friends, both pastors have served as pastors here and there.

And Eric Bencroft is presently the planting pastor at Grace Church in Florida, Miami, Florida.

Yep.

And that photo you sent us the other day of you doing pastoral work on the beach

with something.

We appreciate it.

We all appreciated that.

And Matt Smithurst has been an elder at 3rd Avenue in Louisville, Kentucky,

and he's moving to Richmond, VA to serve as the

planning pastor of River City Baptist Church. Thank you both for being here. Glad to be here. Yeah,

thank you as well. Do you guys, okay, I've given the titles. Just can you both give me, I don't

know, a few more seconds on where you are, what you're doing?

Sure. So I have been in Miami for the last three years. The church is now two years old

after pasturing in Indianapolis for 10 years was happily and very lovingly sent out by the church

there that I pastored in Indianapolis after 10 years to

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