Episode 171 - Are We Hard Enough on Bernie? (w/ Ari Rabin-Havt)
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🗓️ 27 April 2022
⏱️ 52 minutes
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Summary
Bernie 2020 Deputy Campaign Manager Ari Rabin-Havt is back to discuss his new tell-all book about the 2020 campaign: The Fighting Soul: On The Road With Bernie Sanders. The book is well timed to speculation about Bernie running in 2024, and concerns voiced by many progressives that he didn't take the movement far enough. I asked Ari about a potential Bernie run, the Congressional Progressive Caucus endorsement of Nina Turner's corporate opponent Shontel Brown, and whether the left has been too easy on Bernie -- rationalizing his inflexibility as an inextricable part of his admirable consistency. Also, Ari dishes on Facebook's attempts to control the sitting senator's messaging, how Bernie's Facebook page was killed by the algorithm, and why he once had to secretly dispose of towels soaked in Bernie's blood.
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| 0:00.0 | the fact that the progressive cock, I would get if they said we're not endorsing in this race |
| 0:05.2 | because we're not endorsing against a member. We're just going to sit to one out. I think that's |
| 0:08.8 | cowardly, but at least I understand it. I don't understand how the progressive caucus, what they |
| 0:15.3 | think they're getting by endorsing clearly the less progressive candidate in the race. Again, |
| 0:20.6 | somebody like Senator Turner, who by the way, would be a spectacular member of Congress, would be |
| 0:26.7 | kind of the progressive ideal, who would just be such a huge fighter on everything we believe in. |
| 0:32.6 | I, I, it disgusted me to be honest. |
| 0:59.3 | I am so glad to be joined back on the podcast for the second time by my former colleague on the |
| 1:05.3 | Bernie Sanders 2020 campaign, Ari Ravinhoft. Welcome back. Hey, Brianna, how you doing? |
| 1:10.8 | I'm doing so well. And I was so thrilled to be able to read your book, newly out the fighting |
| 1:17.8 | soul on the road with Bernie Sanders finished it this morning. It was terrific and all of the best |
| 1:23.3 | ways are it took me back to 2019, 2020. And I'm, you're going to talk to you about it because you have |
| 1:30.6 | some excerpts from the book I've been making around and are dovetailing really nicely with news |
| 1:36.3 | out this past week that Bernie says he hasn't ruled out running in 2024 as Biden isn't going to run. |
| 1:44.0 | I can't think of anybody better to ask about this than you. Does all of this amount in nothing |
| 1:49.2 | since it's all but certain that Biden is going to run or is there, are there there? |
| 1:54.1 | I always am like who the hell knows if you would ask me like when I finished the book and it's kind |
| 1:59.4 | of clear from the tone, I didn't believe it was a possibility that he would run again. But then |
| 2:04.7 | there's the story in the book I tell about when he cut his head open in South Carolina and then |
| 2:10.0 | a week later they take the stitches out and there's no scar. And how does he have no scar from |
| 2:15.2 | seven stitches after a week that's not he's kind of inhuman in that way. And this weekend you see |
| 2:21.0 | him out doing the thing he actually loves doing going to Amazon with the workers going to Richmond. |
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