Yeah, so I mean, obviously at the end of history, Fukuyama's idea of it was that there would be no real

challenge to the prevailing order of liberal democracy. Liberal democracy would be the final

form of human government as he put it, right? And so that was that was the kind of be all an

end all. And that doesn't mean that there would be no more events, right? That like history,

history shouldn't be understood as just events, like stuff happening. Like there would still be

coups and uprisings and various different things happening around the world, but that there would

be no systemic alternative. There wasn't the Soviet Union, however decrepit it was by the end

going, yeah, but there's still the possibility of socialism. There's at least an alternative,

if not necessarily a superior alternative, at least there was something else there.

And that was just taken as red. And as the Soviet Union disappeared from the face of the earth,

you didn't really any more have a sense that things could really be fundamentally different. So

it was either liberal democracy or I don't know, maybe what you've got in North Korea or Syria

or Iraq. And so these places are places which are obviously terrible and either will have to

become liberal democracies slowly or they'll have to be bombed into it or maybe just forgotten and

thrown onto the dustbin of history. But basically everyone's going to become a liberal democracy.

If you're not doing that, what the fuck else are you doing, right? And even the left within the

West didn't really believe that anything had changed. You know, you have the anti-goblization

movement, which is a mixed bag, but the protests were mainly, I think, kind of carnival-esque

expressions, which didn't really go here in any significant way, didn't really challenge

power in any significant way. And so that's the end of history. It's a deadening

kind of situation politically where there isn't really any belief that anything could genuinely

change. And there's no real big idea about what, you know, what a kind of different world could

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