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Episode 162 Promo - A Taste of Armageddon (w/ Joe Cirincione)

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4.52.8K Ratings

🗓️ 28 March 2022

⏱️ 5 minutes

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Briahna speaks with Joe Cirincione, distinguished fellow at the Quincy Institute for Responsible Statecraft in Washington, D.C & former president of The Ploughshares Fund, a public grant-making foundation focused on nuclear nonproliferation and conflict resolution, about the cold hard facts of hot nuclear war. How is the security of "mutually assured destruction" being undermined by the manufacture of "mini" nukes? How does one morally justify the United States sending weapons to Ukraine? What is the litmus test for US intervention, and how is the ongoing brinkmanship between nuclear powers not a version of the classic Star Trek episode A Taste of Armageddon, in which citizens are killed via cold calculations in order to justify political concessions? How many deaths have to occur before inevitable concessions are made?

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Produced by Armand Aviram.

Theme by Nick Thorburn (@nickfromislands).

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0:00.0

I just want to circle about something you just said about these non-military solutions being

0:03.2

in the way.

0:04.2

And I want to come back to the case to be made for why the US should arm Ukraine.

0:09.6

Oh, yeah.

0:10.6

This is something that is I'm struggling with as a leftist because the kind of humanitarian

0:16.0

case, the humanitarian desire to support a group of people who is being invaded citizens

0:24.7

through no fault of their own who are trying to stay in their homes and protect their communities

0:29.6

is obvious.

0:31.0

But the part of the conversation that gets hop skipped over is whether or not the United

0:36.2

States of America should be playing a role in supporting the distribution of arms.

0:42.7

So there's like a couple of parts to this.

0:44.1

One, America's involvement period, two, whether it should become from offering quote-unquote

0:48.7

lethal aid as opposed to humanitarian aid.

0:52.6

That first question is really the imperialism question, right?

0:56.0

How is America determining?

0:57.2

How is the nation determining when it doesn't does not get into conflicts?

1:00.9

Because the fact that it's failure to intervene in other humanitarian moments, some of which

1:05.7

are ongoing and some of which are of our own design, we contributed to, causes some on

1:11.3

the left to see this as despite being perhaps more morally virtuous than other moments, ultimately

1:17.2

reflective of some kind of pretext and absent in ability to articulate a kind of moral line

1:24.3

here, a moral litmus test, an interventionist litmus test, you're always going to have people

1:29.7

who at the end of the day, despite their kind of emotional response or their abstract humanitarian

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