Greenest air listeners, this is Jonah Goldberg, host of the Remnant Podcast, which is brought

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on and all the rest and to become a member, hopefully. That would be great. So, friend of mine,

colleague of AI, who, you know, just truth be told, I've always had a suspicious view of,

because he's such close friends with my wife. Gary Schmidt, he has this famous line,

at least a small circle of egghetterie, that the constitution is too important to leave to the lawyers.

And so, I thought that since we have a surfeit of lawyers who are all telling us what impeachment is

and what impeachment isn't, Gary would be a good candidate to come on and talk about it from a

broader perspective, in part, because he wrote this big thing about it, which we'll link to in

the show notes. So, Gary is a resident scholar of strategic studies and something else.

American institutions. American institutions, I'm in favor of both of those things. Yeah, well,

the title suggests that I'm a little bit bipolar, which is probably true. Well, that's true, because

you're like a defense guy, but you also write about like Straussian stuff. Yeah, well, my academic

background was local theory to be in with, and then I sort of moved over into the constitutional

issues, American presidency, and that was my academic expertise. And then through accident of

history, I wound up working in the National Security field in the Hill and in the White House.

Which do you enjoy more? The constitutional issues. Yeah. But they either pays the mortgage.

I understand. That's how I feel about my my my my ballroom dancing. If I could do it full time,

I would. But okay, so as I sort of teased in the beginning, impeachment is a thing, right? And

what is, as you put it, what is it for? Well, I think there's two levels to think about. One is

just the institutional framework for impeachment, which often gets bypassed by the way I mean. So

people rush to trying to define high crimes and misdemeanors right away, which the report that you

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