Episode 159 | Trump DOJ Launches Investigation into ICE After Video Leaks
It's Complicated
Renato Mariotti
4.7 • 1.1K Ratings
🗓️ 20 February 2026
⏱️ 50 minutes
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| 0:00.0 | So, Asha, can Trump's ICE and DOJ get away with lying to courts? |
| 0:06.1 | Eh, it's complicated. |
| 0:12.3 | I'm Asha Rangappa. |
| 0:14.0 | I teach national security law at Yale University. |
| 0:16.9 | I'm a former FBI special agent, and I'm the author of the Freedom Academy Substack. And I'm Renata Marietti. I'm a former FBI special agent and I'm the author of the Freedom Academy Substack. |
| 0:22.4 | And I'm Renata Marietti. I'm a former federal prosecutor, a practicing lawyer and a legal analyst. |
| 0:31.6 | So, Asha, I mean, our topic today is something that I think is important and is different than what we've talked about in the |
| 0:40.0 | past. I mean, I think this is a subject that we haven't. We've talked about around the surface, |
| 0:44.0 | but maybe we haven't dove into. And this is coming up because we have breaking news this week |
| 0:48.9 | in two different fronts, where we have ice agents who, it appears, concocted a story, a false story that literally was |
| 0:58.1 | resulting in people being charged criminally with no reason at all. Okay. And then secondly, |
| 1:08.4 | we have some new news out of the Fulton County case that we have talked about. |
| 1:13.1 | But here, the issue of false statements in the affidavit, which we talked a little bit about last week, is really coming to a head. |
| 1:21.8 | Yeah. We should just dive into it because they're kind of extraordinary. And I mean, what we have been talking about around the edges is this idea of the presumption of regularity, which basically I now like mention it every episode. |
| 1:37.3 | And, you know, this idea that the government goes into court normally, I mean, until the Trump, this Trump administration |
| 1:46.0 | has always enjoyed a certain presumption that they have gone through normal, |
| 1:51.7 | a course of fact finding and investigation, and, you know, that what they're presenting is |
| 1:56.5 | a credible account. And I think this, these are specific examples that get to why we are seeing |
| 2:05.0 | in case after case that courts are increasingly unwilling to grant that presumption of regularity. |
| 2:14.3 | Yeah, exactly right, Ash. I mean, and I will just note, you know, these, some of the issues that we're talking about are things we've, that have echoes in prior episodes where we talked about, for example, there's a federal judge in Chicago who found that Mr. Bovino, who at the time was leading the operations, CBP operations, had lied to her on the witness stand. |
| 2:39.0 | But what was really surprising here and shocking here |
| 2:41.8 | is we have criminal charges in which we have two individuals, |
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