Episode 158 | Shock Ruling on Trump Deportation Plot + Debunked Election Warrant?!?

It's Complicated

Renato Mariotti

News Commentary, News, Politics

4.7 • 1.1K Ratings

🗓️ 13 February 2026

⏱️ 51 minutes

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In a controversial decision, the 5th Circuit Court of Appeals issued a ruling last week that meant millions of people in the U.S. can now be detained…indefinitely. For decades, most undocumented immigrants could be free on bond while their cases worked their way through immigration court. But last year, the Trump administration said it could detain all unauthorized immigrants without bond hearings, and the 5th Circuit agreed. Asha and Renato explain why the court’s decision undermines a core principle of due process and a key Constitutional protection. Plus, they analyze the recently unsealed affidavit in the Georgia ballots case and break down why a judge issued a search warrant based on a referral from a Trump campaign lawyer and his widely debunked 2020 election claims. Finally, Renato and Asha discuss the revelation that a D.C. grand jury declined to indict six Democratic lawmakers for a video they made reminding U.S. troops that they should not follow illegal orders. Listen up! Politico: More than 220 judges have now rejected the Trump admin’s mass detention policy: https://www.politico.com/news/2025/11/28/trump-detention-deportation-policy-00669861 Asha Substack: https://asharangappa.substack.com/ Subscribe to our podcast: https://link.chtbl.com/its-complicated Follow Asha on Bluesky: https://bsky.app/profile/asharangappa.bsky.social Follow Renato on Bluesky: https://bsky.app/profile/renatomariotti.bsky.social Follow Asha on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/asha.rangappa/ Follow Renato on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/renato.mariotti/ Cruise with us! https://www.travelstore.com/group-travel/its-complicated-cruise-2026/ Subscribe: https://www.youtube.com/@LegalAFMTN?sub_confirmation=1 Become a member of Legal AF YouTube community: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCJgZJZZbnLFPr5GJdCuIwpA/join Become a member of the Legal AF Substack: https://michaelpopok.substack.com/20off Follow Legal AF on Bluesky: https://bsky.app/profile/legalafmtn.bsky.social Follow Michael Popok on Bluesky: https://bsky.app/profile/mspopok.bsky.social Subscribe to the Legal AF podcast feed here: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/legal-af-by-meidastouch/id1580828595 Subscribe to the Intersection with Michael Popok podcast feed here: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-intersection-with-michael-popok/id1818863274 Subscribe to Unprecedented with Michael Popok and Dina Doll podcast feed here: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/unprecedented-by-legal-af/id1867023089 Subscribe to Court of History with Sidney Blumenthal and Sean Wilentz podcast feed here: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-court-of-history/id1867022920 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0	So, Asha, is the Trump administration going to be able to detain all non-citizens indefinitely?
0:07.0	Eh, it's complicated.
0:13.5	I'm Asha Rangappa. I teach national security law at Yale University.
0:18.2	I'm a former FBI special agent, and I'm the author of the Freedom Academy
0:22.5	Substack. And I'm Renato Mariata Marieti. I'm a former federal prosecutor, a practicing lawyer,
0:27.9	and a legal analyst. And we're here to help you understand topics that can't be boiled down
0:32.4	into a sound bite or a ski. So, Renato, with everything going on, or escape.
0:45.6	So, Renato, with everything going on, there's sort of this, I think, at least as far as the major news cycles go, this decision that came out of the Fifth Circuit, which might have
0:50.8	gone under people's radar, at least in terms of the significance of it.
0:56.9	That's right. I mean, there's a lot of things going on. I know, you know, we're recording this.
1:00.8	You're forgiven if you don't, if you're not on top of every single thing. Exactly. Like,
1:05.4	we're recording on a day where Pam Bondi and the attorney general is giving us, giving a testimony.
1:11.2	And there's, there's a lot of things.
1:12.7	We're going to cover some other stories today as well.
1:15.1	But this particular decision by the United States Court of Appeals for the Fifth Circuit,
1:20.4	which oversees Texas, Mississippi, and Louisiana, has kind of a sweeping effect
1:28.4	on millions of people within the United States.
1:31.8	Yes, and it basically turns on an interpretation
1:36.8	of a few provisions of the Immigration and Nationality Act.
1:41.5	And I have to be honest, like immigration law is very complicated.
1:47.8	And so, you know, I really rely on the analysis, particularly by Sleeved Fladdick, who's had a couple of really
1:57.6	deep posts on this, and we can link to those in the nose. But the backdrop against
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